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Post by Liz on Jun 27, 2009 22:00:27 GMT
The great man speaks much truth, yet again...
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Post by Liz on Jun 27, 2009 22:10:17 GMT
Wy... you have the same cat as me! ;D
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 27, 2009 22:16:30 GMT
Thanks Ly! He does talk sense, I mean, to quote the man himself from a news section of TG, it isn't as though the law enforcement agencies aren't busy at the moment. Was there really not something better for those policemen to do that day?
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Post by Liz on Jun 27, 2009 22:19:35 GMT
Or any day UM? I work for a firm of solicitors, and the amount of Court time taken up with trivial offences is staggering!
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Post by Wyvern on Jun 27, 2009 23:16:03 GMT
I want to comment on this column, but all I can come up with is, "I love you"... I don't mean that in the squeeing fangirl way, but just that he's written such a balanced, reasonable piece on a subject I wouldn't necessarily have expected that my respect for him (which was already pretty much up there) has just gone through the roof.
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Post by Liz on Jun 27, 2009 23:21:07 GMT
Ditto Wy... I said about the Court process, and my post could've been SO much longer, but a bottle of wine has thwarted any sensible comment, so I left it at that!
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 27, 2009 23:26:33 GMT
Wy, I get you. He seems to have the ability to see an argument/discussion/social occassion from all sides and talk about all sides intelligently. His mind is mesmerising. I can do that to a certain extent, see both sides of something but because I am very opinionated, I will always side with one more than the other and make a point of telling people. Jeremy is a lot more reasoned with his comments, I couldn't be like him, no matter how much I try. I would like to be though, I think he makes a wonderful role model. Sorry, I am blabbering now, I will shut up. Sorry.
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 27, 2009 23:29:49 GMT
Liz - Have you noticed a marked increase in 'trivial' matters getting to the court stages? And I know it will have an effect on workload and whatnot, having to deal with them instead of something more important, but is there a viable alternative to the trivial offences? It doesn't seem that court or the potential of ending up in jail deters people from doing what they do.
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Post by nobody on Jun 27, 2009 23:33:14 GMT
he has a point i watched a video the other day where someone was arrest at a protest because she asked the police man not to cover his number up. And i never forget the man who ended up with a criminal recorded over his bin.
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 27, 2009 23:39:45 GMT
He ended up with a criminal record over his bin? What did he do, hit the policeman with it or something? What a silly thing! That is the only thing I can conceive of whereby you would get a bin related record!
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Post by Liz on Jun 27, 2009 23:52:51 GMT
@ UM... I've worked for a criminal solicitor for 5 years, and will never cease to be amazed by the penalties handed down... the case I referred to was a year-long matter which ended in a full day's trial over a garage, and how many signs it displayed On the other hand, I've seen serial petty criminals let off with a 5 minute hearing, and a slap on the wrist for stealing property from honest, hard-working people's homes and businesses!
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 28, 2009 0:18:24 GMT
Sometimes I think that the justice system has got its priorities a bit wrong, but it isn't the system that's at fault, it is all the new laws and regulations that get introduced by the Government that make it what it is, which is a bit wrong sided at the moment. Thanks for replying.
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Post by nobody on Jun 28, 2009 0:31:04 GMT
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Post by Liz on Jun 28, 2009 0:33:09 GMT
You're very welcome UM! I just wish I was more sober had the time to answer in full... it's this whole bleedin' heart liberal attitude that p's me off... and don't get me started on the 'life should mean life' issue! What annoyed me recently, was the 15 year old 'mentally challenged' babysitter who got charged with the death of a toddler... the alcoholic, drug-taking mother, who left the child in his care, got off scott-free And now they're blaming Social Services... again!
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 28, 2009 0:45:16 GMT
Liz - I saw that on the news again, it came across to me that they were trying to use Social Services as a scapegoat, I am not saying that they are entirely blameless in this case, but I think they were just one factor in a series of events that effected that little girls life and in the end it ended up taking it too. Poor child. I am with you too on the whole 'bleeding liberal' thing, it is political correctness gone mad. I am all for freedom of speech and I don't go out of my way to deliberately offend anyone but some people are just too over sensitive and will pick up on anything becasue their lives are so shallow and pointless and devoid of meaning that complaining about other people/things is all they have to do. Nobody - Thanks for the link! What a stupid council!! If they switch from weekly to fortnightly collections, sometimes they don't realise that even if the householders recycle everything that they can, the regular household rubbish bin won't be big enough for all the other waste that can't be recycled, depending on how many people live in the house. Sometimes they haven't got the sense they were born with. OK, I am different, I live on my own and here we have had fortnightly collections for a couple of years now I think, and I don't put my house bin out until it's full and sometimes that can take up to two months, but I know I am the exception. Other people who live on their own fill their recycle boxes and their regular bin every wee/fortnight and I just think, where the hell is all that rubbish coming from? How do they make so much when they are on their own. Sorry, I am babbling again.
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Post by Liz on Jun 28, 2009 0:50:50 GMT
UM- what annoys me in these cases (and there's been so many lately), is the constant outcry of 'Social Services let us down'! Hang on, what about the parents' responsibility?
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 28, 2009 0:54:16 GMT
Exactly. Social Services are not there to raise someone's child, that is the job of the parent/s.
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Post by Liz on Jun 28, 2009 0:59:00 GMT
Definitely UM... I know this is a sweeping statement, but I do believe that today's problems can be traced back to the disintegration of the family (as we knew it)
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 28, 2009 1:04:44 GMT
Well, it is a strong possibility but sometimes the best thing for a family is to be apart. If you get me.
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Post by Liz on Jun 28, 2009 1:12:45 GMT
You're right UM, but back in the 'good ol' days', families stayed together... most of them had parents who were married, children were taught (and had) respect for elders and authority, and (to my memory) there were no cries of 'we did (insert crime here)' because we were bored
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 28, 2009 1:27:04 GMT
Yep, completely agree with you on that one. There definitely has been a slip in social standards. Someone said to me once that they think the standards have slipped so much because the 'kids' are more aware of their 'rights' and consequently they know that nothing will happen to them and they feel and can, in a lot of cases, get away with whatever they like.
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Post by Liz on Jun 28, 2009 1:35:39 GMT
I know it's a 'sign of the times', but in my (rose tinted) days, there was no internet, no PC laws, no stress counselling, no computer games... We played on our bikes, played 'shop' with empty packets, were slapped on the legs if we were naughty, and respected our elders entirely!
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 28, 2009 1:40:24 GMT
Yeah, but imagine what it must have been like from a parents perspective. Yes, when I was a kid I played all those 'innocent' games too but there were a lot of modern things around then that the previous generation (I was raised by my Grandparents and my Aunt) that must have baffled the hell out of them and they must have thought what we are thinking now. I can see now why their generation used to say bring back National Service. Also I have realised this is my 6,666th post! *spooky noises*
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Post by Liz on Jun 28, 2009 1:59:22 GMT
Sorry UM, but (sadly) I've got almost 20 years on you, and all I know is my own experience... When I was growing up, I played shop on my doorstep, played in my backyard, I skipped and played hopscotch (quietly) in front of my house, and even as a teenager the most I experimented with was a bottle of sweet cider... And even tho' my parents split up, I still respected them, my neighbours, teachers, and certainly the police, and do believe that today's problems come from a dissolution of the family structure!
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 28, 2009 2:15:14 GMT
Yeah, suppose it is all down to how you are raised too. I was taught respect for other people/property, told not to harrass other people, was taught right from wrong and because of the way I was raised and what I was taught, I knew my boundaries, I was never told exactly what they were definitely, but somehow I just knew them without being told and I knew that if I crossed them my life would be hell!
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Post by Liz on Jun 28, 2009 2:19:40 GMT
And you're a better person for being brought up that way UM... Heaven knows what it's like to be inside the life of the average family today?
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 28, 2009 2:29:57 GMT
Good for some, not so good for others.
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Post by nobody on Jun 28, 2009 12:02:09 GMT
I also think the system needs changing. Courts need to realized that when people split up the women is not always the better parent also the law needs to support dads who can't see there kids simply because the mother has got a new man and does not want him in her life anymore.
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jun 28, 2009 13:58:51 GMT
That's another very good point. Just because someone gives birth to a child does not mean they are competant and good natured enough to raise it.
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Post by Liz on Jun 28, 2009 14:41:24 GMT
I agree entirely... the above case of the mother who left her child with the 'mentally challenged' babysitter is a perfect example Once again, I think the problem lies with the breakdown of society and the increase of pregnancies to girls who see the child as a source of income, rather than an addition to a loving, stable family... and the fathers in these cases are usually nowhere to be seen!
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