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Post by Liz on Jul 23, 2009 17:31:04 GMT
Jeremy and Francie are about to be interviewed on BBC NW News re their Isle of Man home troubles  |
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Post by nobody on Jul 23, 2009 17:36:07 GMT
I did not know they where having trouble?
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Post by Liz on Jul 23, 2009 17:38:22 GMT
Unless it's fresh trouble, they were having probs with access to parts of their land, with ramblers demanding rights to pass through part of it on the coastal path  |
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Post by ulstermayniac on Jul 23, 2009 17:45:26 GMT
There have been some reports from the Isle Of Man press, I get links in my Google Alerts to them but I have never felt comfortable about posting them because it seems so private. I hope they can get this resolved to their satisfaction. Jeremy mentioned in an old column from a few years ago that he didn't want to stop people walking, he just wanted to stop people from peering into his windows and to stop their dogs from killing his sheep. His privacy should be respected and if that part of the area has become private then they should accept that. It isn't as though there aren't other places where they can walk.
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Post by Liz on Jul 23, 2009 17:48:33 GMT
It was just Francie on... yep, it's what we said, it sounds like a nightmare for them, I hope the Court can help them resolve this |
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Post by lindenchase on Jul 25, 2009 7:06:47 GMT
www.iomtoday.co.im/news/Langness-inquiry-Mrs-Clarkson-feels.5487757.jpVery good article from the local newspaper about yesterday's hearing. I'm a hiker myself and I always appreciate it when landowner allow people like me to cross their lands. (Most of the gorgeous country side north of Amsterdam is owned by farmers.) I wouldn't dream of causing offence when doing so. Sad that a few disturbed people are spoiling it for all the other hikers.
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Post by lymaze on Jul 25, 2009 8:57:52 GMT
Poor sods. It's a disgrace people behave like this but sadly, once you're in the media spotlight some people think they own you and can do what they like. Sadly, some so called ramblers are so aggressive in their beliefs that they have a right to go absolutely everywhere, that they give everyone a bad name. It's such a beautiful place as well, and yet it sounds like hell at times. As usual, a minority ruines everything for the majority.  Glad to see a lot of the comments are on their (JC's) side. |
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Post by TheDaisy on Jul 25, 2009 12:07:37 GMT
The 'right to roam' is a wonderful thing, but not when people think it gives them the right to roam on privately owned land There's plenty of common land, or NT land, for people to walk on - why go into what must be somebody's garden and start nosing around their properties? |
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Post by nobody on Jul 25, 2009 13:33:52 GMT
He's rerouted the path that should be enough from what i been told the reroute does not add that much to the walk so i in this case do not see the fuss.
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Post by Wyvern on Jul 25, 2009 15:54:41 GMT
I wonder what would happen if next time a rambler decides to let their dog worry the Clarksons' sheep over the edge of the cliff, he shot it? If the law on the IoM is similar to the mainland, I believe he would be within his rights to protect his livestock.
It would probably make things worse, wouldn't it?
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Post by lindenchase on Jul 25, 2009 15:57:10 GMT
Someone on FinalGear put it down really well: Theres a big difference between being a fan of some famous person and becoming obsessive. Any reasonable person who likes someone for what they do on TV/Movies/Etc... would leave it at that and realize that person's personal life is none of their business. Just because you like someone on TV doesn't mean they will automatically like you back in real life. and thats what people who become creepy obsessive morons fail at realizing. watching someone on TV all the time does not equal knowing them personally. I had a quick peep at the affivdavit and apparently their is no history of the right of passage on their property. I'm no lawyer but I believe that was the sole reason that the general public could have claimed access. The Clarksons should be all right then.  |
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Post by Wyvern on Jul 25, 2009 16:26:46 GMT
Unfortunately, UK law isn't that straightforward, though things may differ on the IoM.
Firstly, we don't have a crime of trespass (signs that say 'Trespassers Will Be Prosecuted' are just plain wrong, because to be prosecuted you have to commit an offence under criminal law - and even making a case stick under civil law is virtually impossible unless some other offence takes place at the same time), meaning it it virtually impossible to keep people off your land if they're determined to go there... even if they walk through your garden. Secondly, a lot of what happens in the UK is governed by precedent and common law, which means in simple terms that if there is a history of people doing something for a long time, even if those rights have never been written down, it may be possible for it to continue. However, if it really is the case that there has never been a public right of way there and the access has been allowed solely at the discretion of the landowner, and the Clarksons have withdrawn that access, it's possible they may yet win their case. However, I wouldn't like to call it either way - regardless of whether or not there is a public right of way there, it depends largely on what has happened in similar cases.
Personally, I can't understand what problem the ramblers have, given that the Clarksons have made provision for the re-routing of the footpath - which if there is no legal right of way there, they had no need to do - and have just moved a small section of fence to shield their privacy. Unless, of course, they are all crazed stalkers and only want to walk that route so they can take photos of the Clarkson family when they're in their kitchen...
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Post by inky on Jul 25, 2009 16:52:52 GMT
Unless, of course, they are all crazed stalkers and only want to walk that route so they can take photos of the Clarkson family when they're in their kitchen... I think you have just hit the nail on the head wy. There's a lot of 'em about |
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Post by lindenchase on Jul 25, 2009 17:05:55 GMT
Is the Isle of Man a tourist destination or would it mainly be locals?
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Post by Wyvern on Jul 25, 2009 17:12:57 GMT
It's popular with tourists, especially car and motorcycle enthusiasts, because of the liberal driving laws and the motorcycle TT. And quite possibly with ramblers...
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Post by inky on Jul 25, 2009 17:30:40 GMT
I got the impression that the 'ramblers' (I use the term loosely) were local but I could be wrong. I saw Francie being interviewed and she was obviously upset that their privacy was being invaded but also wanted to make the point that they didn't have a problem with people on their land as long as they were respectful of the fact that Jeremy and family were entitled to a bit of peace and quiet. She came across very well. Who goes for a walk and makes a point of wandering right up to a house window to take pictures of the occupants? I know from my experience as a fraud officer that I was NOT allowed to even look through a window, never mind take pics. The world's gone mad |
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Post by lindenchase on Jul 25, 2009 21:20:21 GMT
I knew I had seen the house on telly before! I just found the clip.
It's from the F-word from a couple of years ago. The house looks beautiful!
From what I read the disputed path leads straight past their kitchen window. Problem is that there used to be a wall in front of the window, which Jeremy and his wife had partly taken down so they could have a better view. That lead to people on the path being able to look inside the kitchen.
Also, the alternative route that they have offered the ramblers doesn't offer the apparently spectacular views of the coastline that the original path does.
Still, it must be very annoying to have people crossing your land all the time and invading your privacy. Maybe they can meet halfway? This isn't their permanent residence. Perhaps they could agree to let people on the path, unless the house is occupied, which likely is only for a couple of weeks, maybe months a year.
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Post by nobody on Aug 5, 2009 23:11:26 GMT
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Post by maureen on Aug 6, 2009 7:52:36 GMT
I just listened to this and it really gets my blood boiling. Jeremy doesn't deserve that at all. Like anyone else, he deserves his privacy, he deserves to be treated with respect, and there's no reason why anyone at all should be trespassing on his property without his permission, especially when he's asked nicely for them to stop it. Mr. Richy-****h tax excile s***e deserves hollow points big time.
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Post by nobody on Aug 6, 2009 13:10:56 GMT
How come Mr i don't want to pay tax has not lost all his money in the credit crunch.
That man sound like a right tw*t.
Have sheep ever been known to chase people? perhaps Jeremy could get a sheep that will run this man to the edge of a cliff.
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Post by Wyvern on Aug 12, 2009 2:18:11 GMT
Sheep have been known to butt people much as goats do. There have been a few incidents of people being knocked over cliffs...  |
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Post by honilia on Aug 12, 2009 9:37:14 GMT
Gosh, this is really awful. It upsets me that fans or not how inconsiderate some people really are. I always thought that most people where like me and didn’t like the thought of upsetting others but clearly not. I can’t believe that people would be so rude as to be taking pictures through windows....at what point in someone’s mind does this become acceptable behaviour??!!
Then again, one of my closest friends moved to Shropshire with his family a few years back. The first property they owned there was in a big tourist area and the field round the back had a public walking path up to the woods. However rather than walking to the field for entrance to the path people used to walk over their garden and round up the drive to get to it. They would ruin the garden, look in windows and once my friend’s family came back to a coach parked on the drive and 30 people sat on their front lawn eating their lunch!! They asked the police to get involved but it all came to nothing as the people never caused any ‘trouble’. They have now moved....
But I saw the stress it caused my friends family, and they had not even a third the Clarkson’s must be going through. Tis a really awful thing.
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Post by maureen on Aug 12, 2009 9:42:54 GMT
When I see stuff like this and your friend's experience, Honilia, it makes me realise more and more why I never want to be famous and why I'd rather spend the rest of my life as a recluse and a hermit.
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