fallatyourfeet
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Post by fallatyourfeet on Feb 2, 2011 9:05:56 GMT
I'm not easily offended,I come from Norfolk so I'm used to being the butt of the joke,however I also felt they went a bit too far this time. I'm afraid I thought Hammond came over as nasty,willfully trying to provoke a reaction.
They don't need to do this.
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Post by lymaze on Feb 2, 2011 19:16:55 GMT
I feel the same. It was very over the top, and lengthy, as if they were seeing how far they could push it. I'm beginning to wonder if they want to go out with a bang and not a wimper, so they want to be sacked and taken off air. I thought it was badly written really and not very funny. I know they want to make a point but in the end they seemed like 3 sad, middle aged men stuck in some weird 70s timewarp.  |
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Post by crumbs on Feb 2, 2011 19:32:44 GMT
When I made a brief comment about ep2 I intimated I thought they were saying comments to provoke a reaction. It gets publicity and it fits in with their view regarding freedom of speech, anti nanny state etc.
Having said that, I also thought it was a blunderbuss affair - unsubtle and not funny. I gave the episode 8 as a result as I enjoyed the rest of it!
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Post by nobody on Feb 2, 2011 19:34:01 GMT
I feel the same. It was very over the top, and lengthy, as if they were seeing how far they could push it. I'm beginning to wonder if they want to go out with a bang and not a wimper, so they want to be sacked and taken off air. I thought it was badly written really and not very funny. I know they want to make a point but in the end they seemed like 3 sad, middle aged men stuck in some weird 70s timewarp. I was wondering the same thing as I watched it. If they have had enough, I think they should just pack it in and walk away. |
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Post by lindenchase on Feb 3, 2011 14:24:44 GMT
 You just have the love the guys from Sniff Petrol. ;D |
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Post by chariset on Feb 3, 2011 15:16:00 GMT
The James pinata seems pretty happy about the hot girl with a baseball bat about to hit him in the face.
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Post by Wyvern on Feb 3, 2011 18:37:02 GMT
I want to know if the woman planning to sue Top Gear about this, another angry Mexican in the UK, is also going to sue Virgin Media for their series of Speedy Gonzales press and TV adverts. Remember, this is a character from a series that is aired with a warning that it is a 'product of its time' and contains ideas and attitudes that are 'wrong', although Speedy himself is written against type for humorous effect. The thing is, although Speedy is less of a negative stereotype, he's still a stereotype, and every bit as untrue as the one Top Gear brought up. If she objects to one but not the other, the case is basically saying that it's ok to stereotype, no matter how inaccurately, as long as the lie is in favour of the people bing depicted.
Another question is whether the woman actually saw the broadcast on TV, if she just heard about it or if the charity planning to use her to front the case showed her and said 'look, you're Mexican, isn't this awful?' in the first instance she mhht have an argument, but the second could be considered hearsay and therefore be inadmissible and the third could fall under any number of perjury and witness tampering rules. The sad thing is that arguably there does appear to be a potential case under recent equality laws but I don't think this is what they were intended for. Tell them off for being daft, yes, because they were. Sue them? That's an overreaction.
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Post by lindenchase on Feb 3, 2011 18:44:14 GMT
I'm considering sueing Top Gear for mocking the way Dutch people speak English.  |
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Post by Hops on Feb 3, 2011 18:53:43 GMT
I'm considering sueing Top Gear for mocking the way Dutch people speak English. Yeah, let's! Although, I thought it was always the Germans being mocked for their accent? That squirrel scene never fails to cheer me up. |
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Post by xjsarah on Feb 3, 2011 21:32:36 GMT
Personally, I think it's all a big fuss over nothing. Other nations laugh at us here in the UK in a similar way, yet we generally take it in good part, as far as I can tell. Making fun of national stereotypes has been occurring worldwide for ages, so I don't see why it should be such a problem now.
To quote Mr Bennet in Pride and Prejudice: "For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?"
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Post by devil-may-care on Feb 3, 2011 21:42:38 GMT
Mr. Bennett is priceless! ;D
Jeremy makes fun of Americans all the time. I don't think I've once ever taken offense and thought about suing.
I have to admit, I was taken aback at how far Richard went. It was slightly unusual for him to do that. But why would the Mexicans even care?
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Post by andypanty on Feb 3, 2011 21:50:53 GMT
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Post by devil-may-care on Feb 3, 2011 22:01:40 GMT
I love the piece on anglotopia. They even included the clip in case someone hadn't seen it. And the wording of the apology was wonderful.
Whilst it may appear offensive to those who have not watched the programme or who are unfamiliar with its humour, the Executive Producer has made it clear to the Ambassador that that was absolutely not the show’s intention.
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Post by dit on Feb 4, 2011 1:02:28 GMT
Now I know this is very mean of me, I hold nothing against the population of any nation honestly and I don't want to start a diplomatic incident, but I picked up this Tweet that had me in hysterics: James May deTop Gear (BBC), must ask itself if he is son of a single man. By the form that insults, I notice that her mother was dissolute.OK, seriously now, the necessity for this annoys me: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12361790 |
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Post by lindenchase on Feb 4, 2011 7:35:15 GMT
(...) I picked up this Tweet that had me in hysterics: James May deTop Gear (BBC), must ask itself if he is son of a single man. By the form that insults, I notice that her mother was dissolute.Twitter has been great fun in the last few days. Mexicans might not be lazy and their food is likely delicious, but my God, does their English suck. Thankfully, most of them tweeted in Spanish. I picked up many new words that way. ;D |
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Post by lindenchase on Feb 4, 2011 11:16:00 GMT
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Post by Wyvern on Feb 5, 2011 13:24:02 GMT
I know this should really be quietly allowed to fade away now, but I couldn't let it go without posting this because... well... you know that Taiwanese news company that makes animated versions of big stories from around the world?
Yep.
I really hope the boys don't show this on the show because it's far funnier than the original comments, but will no doubt outrage the Mexican ambassador even more.
Also, they appear to have Jason Dawe on the team...
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Post by lindenchase on Feb 5, 2011 13:57:34 GMT
Thanks Wyvern, that video really made my day. ;D
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Post by kadett007 on Feb 5, 2011 14:38:44 GMT
That was really funny.
I was in the supermarket yesterday, and when I came across the mexican food which just screamed tortilla, I had a grin on my face for the rest of the day. I don't want to offed anyone, I just thought it was funny, stereotypes do exist, they make fun of other people all the time. Including the Belgians, and I'm never offended.
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Post by antonia on Feb 5, 2011 15:48:14 GMT
I say let them get on with it.The woman probably had the sounds of money ringing in her ears when they insulted the Mexicans.I'm from Liverpool and I'm part Spanish so by my reconing I should be offended twice over.Scousers got it the first week and many times Jeremy has commented on Spanish lazyness, over fishing chucking donkeys of churches etc.If I can live with it I'm sure a few Mexicans can.Anyway if anybody does want to sue me they'll have to take payment in car parts and donkeys......but only after I've siesta. x
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Post by dit on Feb 5, 2011 22:03:01 GMT
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Post by key on Feb 5, 2011 23:36:18 GMT
I have not seen this episode here in the united States yet. That being said I can Imagine how it must have affected the Mexican Ambassador if what I read is true to their usual form.
I agree that the Mexican Ambassador has not seen Top Gear. If he did he would understand it is just a gimmick they do. Like how they made fun of the American South. Of course, some people didn't get the humor. Much too busy being offended to take a good look at themselves and seeing how they are perceived by others.
The American episode was very upsetting for me to watch the first time I saw it. I asked myself "Why did Top Gear do that?" It took a while for me to embrace the ridiculousness of it and laugh.
We here know that no malice was meant by their words regarding the Mexican people.
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Post by chariset on Feb 5, 2011 23:48:14 GMT
You mean France ISN'T full of amorous cyclists with onions round their necks?
*cancels flight*
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Post by Wyvern on Feb 6, 2011 3:23:15 GMT
Someone just asked why Steve Coogan would have spent so long hanging out with the TG lads in the past.
I pointed out that his brother used to present Top Gear. Funny how the article doesn't mention that.
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Post by Wyvern on Feb 6, 2011 11:22:32 GMT
The Equality and Human Rights Commission has something to say about all this... and it's not what you think. This is a transcript of an article in The Sunday Times that Blythy on Final Gear has posted: www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...icle535634.eceAs the latest mischief from the BBC’s Top Gear programme whipped up a minor diplomatic incident with Mexico, Britain’s equality chief decided to inject a dose of common sense. Rather than endorse the howls of “racism” and “xenophobia”, Trevor Phillips ignored the demands for action by dismissing as “dinosaurs” those who become upset by the “Top Gear Tendency”. This week he will criticise the “PC lobby” for being fixated with chastising the “schoolboy” antics of people such as Jeremy Clarkson and for spuriously citing the Equality Act to try to get programmes taken off the air. In a wide-ranging speech that will mark a significant change in the Equality and Human Rights Commission’s role, Phillips will brush aside threats to sue the BBC over disparaging remarks about Mexicans by a Top Gear presenter. “There is no need for us to become dinner party detectives. We need to separate out and concentrate our efforts on the truly dangerous — the English Defence League, for example — rather than the trivial, the tasteless and the vulgar,” he says, in a draft of his speech seen by The Sunday Times. While critics might accuse Clarkson of rudeness and a puerile sense of humour, Phillips says the Top Gear team’s “carefully cultivated notoriety” does not warrant the demands for prosecution and punishment made by the politically correct brigade. “Both the Top Gear Tendency, which bangs on about obnoxious feminists, and the PC lobby, which wants the commission to be a strident, boot-faced, politically correct thought-police are now just hanging on at the fringes of public life. They are all, like the dinosaurs, on their way out,” he says. Richard Hammond, one of Clarkson’s co-presenters on Top Gear, described Mexicans as “lazy, feckless, flatulent [and] overweight”. Adding to the insult, Clarkson and his other co-presenter James May described Mexican food as “refried sick”. Although the BBC apologised to the Mexican ambassador, who had complained about the “xenophobic” and “offensive” remarks, Phillips is scornful of plans by a Mexican woman in London to sue the BBC for racism, in a case which her lawyers claimed could cost the corporation up to £1m. He was also dismissive of The Guardian newspaper, which suggested the case could become the first brought under the Equality Act that came into force last September. “Even if we had the powers to intervene in what is said on TV, the commission, for example, does not need to respond to every bit of schoolboy provocation on the BBC — let’s say about the character of the Mexican people. Getting into a ruck with Clarkson about what he says about one group of people or another will not change anyone’s mind or tackle prejudice.” Phillips will contrast the attack on Clarkson and Top Gear with what he regards as justified public outrage over the “Alf Garnett bigotry” of the television presenters Andy Gray and Richard Keys who worked for Sky Sports. Gray was sacked and Keys resigned after sexual comments they made off air about women. Phillips said: “The playground-style finger-pointing that now sometimes passes for humour is just cruel and bullying and above all just isn’t funny. Britain has moved on.” He said few employers or organisations needed heavy-handed intervention to show them how to tackle the problem. “A good example is the Sky Sports debacle, where James Murdoch and his executives did not hesitate to show Andy Gray and Richard Keys the red card. Good for them. And we did not have to issue angry statements, or ring anyone and threaten some kind of legal action.” Phillips’s comments come as the commission faces budget cuts of almost 60%. Its workforce will be slashed from a peak of more than 500 in 2007 to fewer than 200 in mid-2012. Common sense at last! |
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Post by andypanty on Feb 6, 2011 12:48:58 GMT
There's another dose of common sense here.[/color] |
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Post by lew on Feb 6, 2011 14:53:58 GMT
A week in and now it's boring, as for Coogan  someone should remind him it's a light entertainment show......I'm from Essex, the jokes can roll in as much as they like, frankly they're a hoot ;D maybe I should go and sue the makers of "the only way is Essex" right off to get my handbag and white high heels ;D |
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Post by aeromanda on Feb 7, 2011 16:59:28 GMT
Being from the US I didn't even know that there were Mexicans in England. I thought the Irish were England's Mexicans.  (Please don't sue me...that was a joke.) |
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Post by chariset on Feb 7, 2011 17:05:30 GMT
No no no... the Polish are England's Mexicans.
*runs!*
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Post by devil-may-care on Feb 7, 2011 18:49:01 GMT
You can have some of ours. We have plenty! ;D ;D * ducks* |
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someone should remind him it's a light entertainment show......I'm from Essex, the jokes can roll in as much as they like, frankly they're a hoot ;D maybe I should go and sue the makers of "the only way is Essex" right off to get my handbag and white high heels ;D 
(Please don't sue me...that was a joke.)